Maintainer Meeting (27 April 2025)

This meeting was recorded:

Game Audio Review (EmoGarbage)

The actual audio experience of playing the game has deteriorated to a level that’s genuinely unplayable.

We need a few things:

• A comprehensive pass over basically all audio
• A freeze on new audio and sounds
  • Wouldn’t a freeze paralyze most new additions? (Nik)
    • How many prs contain audio additions?
  • How long will it take?
    • A month ish
      • eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh>>>!>!?!?!?!
• Better standards for how we define audio
• Updated docs for contribs on what we expect
• Better requirements for PRs to ensure things are in order

• Ensure PR’s with audio should have a video of the audio playing in context
• Tag prs with audio changes
• Discourse was mentioned
• Test would be nice but we dont know how to make em lol
  • About the clipping: Its a neat idea but is that a common problem we have?
  • Also this is more of a “wyci”

Improving / updating breaking change annoucements. (EletroSR)

See discussion around https://discord.com/channels/310555209753690112/900426319433728030/1365121905765388309

• The problem
  • People dont post breaking changes to github
  • The standards for what is considered a “Breaking change” are low and makes it hard for downstreams to filter
    • Currently “List any breaking changes, including namespaces, public class/method/field changes, prototype renames; and provide instructions for fixing them”
• Proposed solution
  • Just post em on github, no pinging on discord. A fork can just view the github discussions.
    • or DISCOURSE!!!!!!
    • We can bikeshed later where we want it.
      • NVM apparently we decided already :godo: discourse it is.
        • We will set a relay in the codebase changes channel from the forum.
  • Stricter standards on what is condiered “breaking”
    • A simple file rename or protype move is not enough.
    • We can talk about what this entails later.

Mapping Changelog (ArtisticRoomba)

• I have submitted a PR which adds a mapping changelog in its own separate tab. Now that I’m a head mapper I can kick this back up.
• The changelog is desired by players and mappers who contribute to the game, and last I checked it was desired internally as well.
• I’m not sure what else is required beyond the PR in order to properly implement it, so I’m asking here right now.

• Before i could write anything the infra side was done by pjb now
  • So yeah its funded. Ship it.

RSI meta.json attributions are merge conflict bait and difficult to maintain (ArtisticRoomba)

• Contributors have started to load RSIs full of states with little atomization (see toys.rsi)
• Copyright attribution is a single line on the entire file, so multiple PRs targeting an RSI have to resolve conflicts merge after merge (see toys.rsi)
• This sometimes leads to things getting accidentally dropped or lost in a conflict
• Usually new contributors are experiencing these problems (sprite changes, new items, etc.) so it’s an unnecessary hassle when we have to teach them how to un-mess-something-up.
• A PR to update the schema to enable multi-state attribution was made however it is not the correct solution
• It was proposed to do per-file (not per-state) attribution in the meta.json, using something RGA-like
• Why not just use RGA, so we can use one standard we’ve already made?
• RSIEdit needs to have support to easily process and generate this stuff.
• Someone else has to tackle this issue as I genuinely do not know how to code C# for actual programs.

• Need this to be reviewed by PJB 35302 and thats only it apparently. Roomba was not present to add anything else.

The TEG meta needs to be killed with really big hammers (ArtisticRoomba)

• While I am the TEG’s biggest fan (terminal CE main) I have concluded that the current state of the TEG (lack of game mechanics and restrictions for atmos regarding the TEG) is straight up counterproductive to the game’s health
• Players are discouraged from running regular engines due to the TEG’s comparative lack of danger, superior runtime, and lack of maintenance
• Elite atmosians oftentimes shut down new players from doing engines or a TEG design of their own because they already have built a hyperoptimized setup by the 5 minute mark
• This directly conflicts against SS14’s core design pillars regarding Player Agency
• Pipe bursting, delta-P window shattering, and other core game mechanics would limit the TEG, however those do not exist right now.
• We can kill the TEG by re-inspecting the radiator math (currently large delta-Ts can be accomplished by just one radiator, which is unrealistic) and nerfing radiator’s radiation to space accordingly
• We can alternatively kill the TEG by drastically reducing the efficiency.
• We can instead encourage Atmosians to focus on Carnot efficiency (encouraging a continuous, hot burn, which common mini burn chamber designs are difficult at doing efficiently). However I think focusing on the first point is enough.
• Supermatter Soon Patent Pending Trademark? It adds an actual element of danger, keeping it in-line with all other engines, while allowing for very in-depth tinkering (if more gasses are real TM)

• We all agree this is good for the game already, and its not worth to go in depth in a maintainer meeting about this topic.
  • So yes, we should kill teg meta.

Stable review

• 35890 Decrease Syndicate raid suit size, add bundle backpack
• 36449 Add Aluminum Source (Cans)
• 36408 Wizard added in all at once!
• 36385 Descriptions for .25 caseless
• 36383 Descriptions for .45 magnum
• 36466 PlayerPanel Follow button
• 32227 Skirt of Life resprite + white shoes to paramedic loadout
• 36445 Departmental Economy
  • We should discuss the feedback we got from deltaV players
    • Essentially their concerns are fixed by 36944
      • Could be cool if you could fax it if thats not already a feature.
      • Also means the clown cant just drain all of services money on toy boxes or something.
  • The cargo telepad needs to be nerfed as unlocking it trivializes gameplay (Roomba)
    • Everyone can basically make stuff appear in their department because they have the console
    • The cargo telepad is a holdover from an ancient state of SS14 where there was no ATS
    • Was moved to research as a tech
    • Unsure how it would even fit into current day SS14, it should probably be removed
    • The ATS needs to see discussion on how antagonists should interact with it (it can be killed pretty easily and cargo made unviable for the rest of the round)
    • See pull 34195
      • The telepad should be removed when
        • The ATS console can’t be destroyed by player grief. Or indestructible
        • Being able to just instantly bring items in is bad gameplay. And removes some intresting gameplay of flying and protecting the ATS.
• 36503 Neutralised anomaly infections drop inert cores
• 31648 Condensed gases can now be metabolized.
• 31814 Examining now shows Coords on Handheld GPS, Coord readout update frequency increased
• 32308 ID card computer bug fixed (And made it more fun!)
• 36394 Remove flash payload from stinger grenades
• 31533 New deathmatch map: DM01 Entryway
  • Do we even still support the deathmatch gamemode?
    • Yes
• 36338 Added a crate of shark plushies to cargo
• 35805 Adds 10% slowdown to syndicate commander hardsuit
  • Nukies are basically balanced 50/50 right now according to statistics so I don’t really want to see any more nukie nerfs (Roomba)
• 35759 Binocular Neck Slots!
• 36532 Change colour tone of blue and green crayons
  • Might be worse for floor art? Why not just change the sprite color of the icon instead? (Slarti)
    • Maybe keep the blue but maybe match the green to something inbetween what it currently is.
• 36267 Fire extinguishers can now extinguish items, including when held/worn
• 35580 The long overdue downfall of stun meta - Stamina resists on Nukie & ERT Suits.
  • The title is misleading, this only adds it to ERT suits. Nukie armor was still in discussion. Having technical support for it is good. The commented out yaml code should be removed. (Slarti)
• 33548 Command to open chatbox in a new window
  • Didn’t this break with the steam overlay? (Slarti)
    • It’s not popped-out so shouldn’t (Milon)
• 30703 Add SolutionContainerVisuals to the hypospray
• 36555 Add implant names to implanters
• 36511 update editorconfig docstring indentation
• 36562 Add the knock spell to the grimoire
• 35995 Remove deathrattle functionality from tracking implants
• 35889 Increase chest rig explosive resistance
• 36472 Now you can see if there’s a beaker in the chemmaster
• 33370 3mo xeno archeology (first phase)
• 36017 Inhand sprites for figurines
• 36225 Remove elite and juggernaut hardsuits from traitor uplink, add elite webvest
• 36604 XenoArch Rebalancing
• 36595 Restore Artifexium Effect
• 35752 New Experimental Science T3: Desynchronizer
• 36607 add bluespace flash effect
• 36609 Blueprint tweaks.
• 35359 Role subtypes
• 35447 New Arsenal T3: Temperature Gun Revitalization
• 36419 Basic Resources Crate
• 34959 Add chatty lathes
• 34955 New Sprites for cables
  • There’s a PR that changes the cable orientation so they’re visible in more situations (previously they were commonly obstructed)
  • This PR is more for accessibility (colorblindness) reasons. But the sprite could use some more improvements in my opinion. (Slarti)
• 36584 space adder sprite cleanup
• 35997 Standardize In-hand Sprites for Gloves
• 36640 add subtype to admin notice
• 34121 Added Junkeys
• 33327 Adds handheld artifact container to cargo orders
• 36630 Hydroponic trays can now be bought
• 32796 make borgs require prying to open instead of screwing
  • I’m not a fan of this change. This just needlessy changes controls and will be confusing to players with no benefit. All wirepanels in the game are opened with a screwdriver and the examination text says it is a wirepanel. The argument was that in SS13 there is a wirepanel inside a hatch that you have to open first. But it makes no sense to change this until we actually implement that feature. Can we make a poll for reverting this? (Slarti)
    • Just keep it
• 30463 Geiger counters can now be heard by everyone nearby
• 35590 Make tank harness smaller in inventories and craftable at lathes
• 36650 Add Solid Headband
• 34057 Banjo can now be worn on your back.
• 36656 random names for space dragons
• 36542 Allowing Cats to walk
• 36032 Contraband examine changes (again)
• 36209 Added the ability to refuel torches (and other expendable lights)
• 35170 Allow clown mime and borg customize names
• 36663 Add Experiment plushie
• 31754 Allow fire extinguishers and sprays to push grids you are standing on
• 36402 Removed the periodic table from the poster spawner
• 35594 reorganize security lathe recipes, add category filters
• 35913 Implement client-side theming for OutputPanel scroll-down button.
• 30812 setgamepreset command rework (take two)
• 36688 Slightly tweak base funding allocations.
• 34473 sec holobarrier charge increase
• 36579 Remove egg-plant from MegaSeed Servitor
• 36693 Increase base amount of egg in egg-plant
• 36382 Add inhand sprites for the drink shaker
• 36185 Update filing cabinet inventories
• 34627 Agent -> Corpsman
  • Isn’t the name “Agent” a SS13 classic? (Slarti)
    • Why not just call it the nukie medic
      • It does not sound cool… but it should be that.
      • “Medic Delta” does not have the same punch as “Corpsman Delta”
• 32426 ciggie sounds
• 33872 extend hotbar hotkeys to 20 keys via shift
  • I think if you do need more than 10 actions something already went significally wrong with UI design. I guess it’s ok to have this for forks? (Slarti)
    • There may be a bug where its not properly listed in the keybinds menu. Acording to PJB.
• 36126 New Speech Indicators for species that don’t have any.
• 34223 Updated air scrubber and air vent sprites.
  • I’m not a fan of the sprites. They look like deadly blade traps. These sprites are some of the most common ones in the game, usually you see multiple of them on your screen at all times. However, since 95% of players never need to interact with them they should stay in the background, but the new sprites pop out too much. In addition the status lights are less visible than before. I left a more detailed comment on github. (Slarti)
  • I second this (Roomba), the sprites clash visually with the general enviornment of the game. They’re supposed to blend in, given that there’s a lot of them, but they are very noisy and stick out. It doesn’t match the game at all.
  • I do not like the sprites either, I agree with the concerns raised above (Milon)
    • Vote if we should revert these or just touch them up a bit further.
      • Or touch up the old ones a little. Like making the fan in the vent finny slower.
      • Note this has a few accessibility issues right now currently.
• 36492 Local Material Silo
  • Players can still take the silo into maints and succ lathes dry if they want to troll security or cargo (Roomba)
    • Keep it running as is. Worst case scenario we act on it later on.
      • Lilten made a video already wow
• 34181 Change ‘Irish slammer’ to ‘Grenade Penguin’
• 33338 Make artifact module actually useful.
• 36697 Resprited the Chief Engineer’s mantle/manica
• 36287 New Drinks
• 32920 Add new color turtlenecks in WinterDrobe
  • We’ve granted so many exceptions to the clothing freeze that we are ending up with the problem we are trying to prevent. We should actually enforce our freezes. (Roomba, also yes I am a part of this problem)
    • Turtlenecks may be an issue for head identification
    • Emo wants a revert, we will put it up to vote
• 34878 Reduces handheld security radios range for picking people’s messages up.
• 35165 Flippo Engraved Lighter is now in detective locker
• 34416 ERT Janitor Weapon - Hydra
  • This should just be accessible to Janitor somehow. (Roomba)
    • Yes
• 34769 Gave Bartender Pineapple Juice Cartons
• 35908 Removed collision from wall mounted lights and security cameras
• 34261 Removed Interior Shuttle Walls
• 36666 Rebalance and reduce playtime requirements for most roles.
• 33336 Give salvage borgs a tool module.
• 35446 Scarf Resprite
• 33219 Aquatic tail and back fin markings for lizards
• 36744 Plurality pin addition (now not on master branch)
  • Sir, the ten thousandth pin has hit the repo.
  • We need to either put a pause on this or the chamelon pin to solve this needs to be real
  • Milon was working on UI antibloat for loadouts (Roomba)
  • I support Milon’s loadout changes. There is also another PR doing the same right now, we should compare which one looks better. (Slarti)
• 36085 Descriptions for .35 auto
• 35800 Makes more items recyclable.
  • The station should generally have more ways to gain materials independent from salvage (Roomba)
• 36061 Heterochromia for Moth
• 34292 Departmental shelves whitelist expansion (Attempt №3)
  • Why is this a whitelist to begin with? (Roomba)
    • Sure nuke the whitelist later on. This wont block stable
      • Should also check other whitelists later on.
• 36767 Decrease amount of mail, increase profits
• 34949 Fire protection for ERT engineering hardsuit
• 35808 Nonlethal throwables crate
• 36070 The Beverage Jug Can Now Look Open
• 35986 Pirate Gear Tweaks.
• 35685 Resprite main altars
• 32946 Adds beanies to the WinterDrobe!
  • Another example of the exceptions we’ve been making to the clothing freeze (Roomba)
• 36510 Santa hat with a foldable beard
• 34065 The Bartender can now make Eggnog
• 35825 Require traitors to maroon their objective no matter what
  • This one is causing critical bugs with greentext. (Slarti)
    • Revert or hotfix ASAP
• 35732 Wizard Headset
• 35713 Reorder electronics recipe file, add filter categories
• 36774 Reworked Mail Spawning
• 36704 Add RGA/RSI to Credits
  • The way it is currently implemented this is a giant wall of text no one will ever look at. It simply copies the copyright line for every single rsi. Causes lag when opened. And sloth mentioned credits still need to be updated manually, is that correct? (Slarti)
    • How bad is the lag?
      • Half a second when you open the tab
        • Could be worse, the open source licenses do this too.
• 32847 Add the medical HUDs to medical’s loadouts (except chem)
• 34586 Add rehydratable mop bucket cube, refactor the rehydratable yml
• 36531 Increase thief to player ratio
• 35854 Added a semi-functional genderfluid pin.
• 36801 Station AI Name Identifier
• 28339 Firelock temperature and pressure warning lights
  • Causes visual bugs (Slarti)
    • Minor bug fix. All good
• 29949 Bots overhaul
• 30212 Tweak Security protection values
• 34579 Metal foam grenade rework, small tweaks to grenade timers
  • I (roomba) have plans for making metal foam grenades more powerful for Atmospherics, so I don’t consider the changes made to foam grenades here permanent
• 36811 dragons can now pry doors
• 36790 Make funding allocation computer more configurable
• 31864 Fingerprint taking improvements
• 32103 Command uniform
• 32375 downprice many cargo orders
• 36825 Cherry Pick Round-start Solar Variation
• 33469 Nerf Firelock electronic prices
• 36842 Give Admins “Tails”
• 34517 Moth-pockets
• 33286 Four new food crates for the ATS
• 36846 Add 1 dragon name
• 33443 Remove steel sheet hull fixing
  • Engi Guidebook needs to be updated to reflect this (Roomba)
    • Not a blocker but should be done
• 36857 pAI Software Catalog
  • Any other ideas for this? Is the starting amount of money too much? (Beck)
    • Not a topic for the meeting
• 34199 Make toy sword less obvious
• 35361 Adds shorts/pants to ClothesMate vending machine
• 35609 Moths can eat pills
• 36830 Xenoborgs part 1
• 31015 Put items inside cakes!
• 35915 Removed syndicate surgery duffel, added advanced circular saw to Medical Doctor uplink.
• 36135 Cotton Grilled Cheese Sandwich
• 34896 Meat Patty
• 36313 Turnstiles
  • Is conga line fixed? Is it a feature? (Beck)
    • Let it run out and otherwise patch it out.
• 36392 Genpop Closets & IDs
• 36815 Tearable Deliveries V2
• 36897 Disable shadows for observer pointlight

Worth bringing up

• 36424 Wizard Teleport Scroll (Teleport Location ECS)
  • “we really need to get this PR in for this because it’s a huge wizard balance (hide in space wizard is extremely bad)”
• 36809 Clear MIDI masters properly to avoid replay freezes Already merged It was merged on MASTER not good.
  • Important bug fix for replays
    • Cherrypick it to staging
• 35825 reportedly has issues
  • Look at this issue
    • We agreed on it above in the stable merge
• Engine upgrade to bring RT-5887 Fix grid fixtures using locale dependent ids
  • This fixes a long standing issue where some players suddenly get a black screen! Very important
• SS14-ISSUE-36920 Maroon traitor objective should have more obvious naming
  • “Maroon” is a wierd word not many people know, especially now with 35825
    • However fixes the objectives should fix this too, but not a blocker.
• 36936 another important bugfix that should be hotfixed soon
  • Someone plz review it
• 36927 Janiborg soap can be depleted to gain a handslot
  • I don’t know how to fix it (I was really tired), tried fixing it already. Event isn’t being fired on the soap properly when handled by a borg.
  • Should probably be nuked in the meantime otherwise every janiborg can get a free handslot very easily
• 36943 SpillTileReaction stopped working
  • Stuff like foam no longer works
• 36925 The entire game world reloads if you snip a machine’s manager wire
  • This was also happening to other things but I genuinely forgot what it was happening to (Roomba)
• Please someone save me from the GameRuleComponent heisentest
  • 
• 36955 has been merged into master and needs to be cherry picked into staging/stable. Currently emags and some wizard staffs have infinite charges.
  • Hotfix to staging